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[Music]

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why did these beings choose me they're

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an orange yellowish light comes on David

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is looking at the light and doesn't hurt

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his eyes he is aware of the beings they

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are standing over him they are touching

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his body

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my name is David Huggins

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I'm 72 years old and I live in Hoboken

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New Jersey I was living a perfectly

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normal life until I started remembering

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things

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it was just like image upon image upon

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image it wouldn't stop I was so scared

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the eyes were just glowing they hit the

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ground running straight toward me and we

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floated up to some type of craft said

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you hurt me you hurt me no no no no no

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no no no this is the woman that never

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told anyone about when I was 17 I lost

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my virginity to a female

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extraterrestrial yes all I can say about

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it welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague so I've been

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researching the UFO phenomenon for about

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two decades now yeah that makes me field

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anyway I've watched plenty of UFO and

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alien abduction documentaries throughout

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those years they come and go some being

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alluring in terms of content some being

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complete [\h__\h] and some that stay

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with you for years to come begging the

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question this actually happened to this

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person and that's exactly what happened

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when I first watched love and saucers

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the far-out world of david huggins the

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documentary is the story of david

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huggins

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an unassuming 72 year old who claims to

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have had a lifetime of encounters with

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otherworldly beings including an

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interspecies romance with an et woman

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with whom he lost his virginity to

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and chronicled at all in surreal

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impressionist paintings are his

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experiences a dream a hallucination or

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could they be real today I discussed the

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story and the process of filming with

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director Brad Abraham's we dig deep into

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how the documentary came to be the

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incredible story that Huggins brings to

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the table and just exactly what bread

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thinks of the entire abduction

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phenomenon through the lens of his first

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feature film so without further ado

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here's my conversation with Brad

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Abraham's Brad thank you so much for

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joining me today on somewhere in the

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skies I'm happy to be here so your film

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has been making the rounds both in and

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out of the UFO community lately and with

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good reason

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it is a stylish extremely well made and

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compassionate film called love and

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saucers and mmediately after viewing

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this man I had to reach out to you to

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get you on the show to talk about what

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the experience was like filming this but

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before we even get to that I would love

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if you could sort of give our listeners

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who may not have seen the film yet maybe

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just a little elevator pitch about what

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this film loved and saucers is all about

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sure so at its core it's about a totally

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normal 70 something guy who lives in

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at a local deli does some painting loves

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watching sci-fi movies and also lost his

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virginity to an extraterrestrial woman

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and that's one of over a hundred

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encounters that he claims to have had a

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lot of them sexual in nature or romantic

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in nature and he has chronicled every

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single one of the encounters that he

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remembers in these stunning sort of

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surreal impressionistic paintings and

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this film is his story trying to tell it

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as matter-of-factly as one can tell a

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story like this yeah and you know as

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we'll get to he's pretty pretty blunt

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about it yeah he didn't really tippy-toe

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that well will exactly get into that but

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how I have to ask to you like how did

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the idea for the film come about how did

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you even get involved in the UFO topic

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and get connected with David well it was

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um not UFO specifically but just sort of

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esoteric paranormal just these these

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hidden little-known stories have always

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been a passion of mine just personally

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like reading about them because who

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isn't fascinated by you know discovering

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a city or ancient culture but as a way

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to you know as a filmmaker and and I did

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commercials before this just as a visual

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storyteller what better way to to expose

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people to these stories that they may

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never have heard about or heard about

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filmmaking not necessarily like UFO but

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I because of this I I was always

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listening to podcasts and you know about

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were only a few of these sorts of

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paranormal ish podcast and I think I was

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listening to the podcast and I had just

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quit my my full-time job in advertising

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up for for any ideas I could do as an

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independent filmmaker and they were

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talking about the abductee experience in

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sort of listing different cases and

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offhand as something like too ridiculous

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for them to discuss was this guy David

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Huggins who claims he fathered a hundred

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space babies across the galaxy and then

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they laughed and and moved on and but

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for me that was like the you know the

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thing I remembered out of everything

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from the podcast because you know does

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this guy exist and if he exists how can

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he not be anything but crazy or you know

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is he touched some how telling the truth

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so I I tried to track him down and I

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couldn't because he has no internet

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presence which is pretty rare these days

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even for an older guy so I had to track

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down a neighbor of his ferret your zoo

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extraterrestrial experiences and and

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when she found out her neighbor David

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of some of his paintings and I found

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that online got her email and she gave

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me David's home phone number and and I

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just took it from there that's really

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interesting story like that that's the

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determination of you know of you know a

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budding project you like knowing you had

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to talk to this guy and go into those

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legs to track him down that's extremely

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admirable that's awesome man well what

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do you what did you think of when you

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first you know connected with him and I

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face-to-face contact and be like okay

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where are we gonna go from here what was

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that experience like meeting David well

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the first I'll talk about the first

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phone call sure as I opened the film

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started which was like once you know hi

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I'm Brad we introduced ourselves he just

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said well Brad I don't know much but

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what I know for certain is at 17 I lost

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my virginity to an extraterrestrial

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female and you know what a way to start

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a conversation and it just more cemented

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my my desire to try and and pursue

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something with him and so we had many

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phone conversations before I met him

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because I wanted to get the whole story

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and really have a focus for when I

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visited and he actually invited for me

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to stay at his house for the first

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filming which since I was self-funding

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it would probably be a little strange

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and awkward right and and it was I ended

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up sleeping in his ex-wife's bed who

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actually still lives with him but she

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was away on vacation thankfully and from

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morning tonight I with David and and for

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every single like bizarre thing you know

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like the you know hundred plus paintings

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stacked up in his studio to his 2,000

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strong VHS film collection there was his

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personality that completely balanced it

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all out because I'd never met someone

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who was so like immediately like

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grounding down to earth simply spoken

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matter-of-fact about the the most like

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bizarre things you'll you'll ever hear

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so it immediately creates this this

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conflict in your brain where you're like

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I shouldn't be like believing

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what he's saying but because of who he

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is like his character I sort of have to

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because he's not some like ranting

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lunatic he's and everyone that's met him

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will say like David's just seems like

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the nicest normal guy so it makes you

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stop and pause and and consider

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listening and so that that was really

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what made it worth it for me to pursue

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like over the years to to finish this

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film well I mean that the over the years

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comment bread I'd love to know this

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wasn't like shooting for a week with

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this dude hearing his story and then

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never talk to him again like this was a

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pretty rigorous process how long did you

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film David when you were shooting the

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film it was over over a few years with

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with like long breaks in between because

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just the reality of independent

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filmmaking is you you don't have much

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money and when you when you do have

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money it's still not a lot so you can

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only go shoot for a few days at a time

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but but what's good about that process

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is then it takes much longer and you get

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you get to know your subject much better

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you see them over a greater period of

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time it actually helps to flesh out the

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story as opposed to you know I'm just

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gonna go film with you for two or three

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weeks straight and then have a finished

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film so so that's it was it was really

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so and then it started accelerating as

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we had more support and knew that we had

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like a pretty good film on our hands and

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opened it up and started filming you

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know Jeffrey crippled and and some of

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David's friends and colleagues yeah yeah

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and I mean you did mention the you know

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the VHS is you saw when he went into his

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house which was really cool by the way

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as someone who grew up on VHS like that

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was it was a very uh nostalgic moment

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seeing those stacked you know 10 hi all

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across the room as for his paintings did

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you know that I mean you you had

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mentioned that you saw the book that um

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Farrah had created about all of his

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experiences but did you know walking in

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there that you were going to see like

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these massive huge paintings that this

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guy had made no not at all and I only

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found out about the painting part like a

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little deeper into

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research on him and once I saw some of

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the images there were very low res what

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was online but I could still like

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immediately tell like they're very they

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were very arresting and they're all

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painted in a way that there there's a

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story being told in them they're very

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cinematic which is unique especially for

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someone who's who's mostly self-taught

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and they're so they're like as a girl

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like you see you pick up like these are

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these are little scenes from from a film

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the composition the lighting the action

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in them and but you know I was not

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prepared for when I actually stepped

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into that room because just the sheer

290
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volume of them and and then the size

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like some of them are like eight feet

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tall it really it really sort of grabs

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you and you're almost like jaw-dropping

294
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and it was the same effect when I we

295
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returned with some crew like a

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cinematographer and sound guy and

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producer they were just like oh my god

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and every time we went we would find

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more paintings that we we hadn't seen

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like I thought like the first time I

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photographed like 75 paintings and then

302
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each time we'd come back there's like oh

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five new ones yeah they're an in person

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that's the effect of them is even more

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eerie them than the photos yeah they're

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extremely arresting like you said like

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you know he's he was self-taught so

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they're a bit amateur at times but I

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mean I'm no art expert but they're so

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engaging some of them when you look into

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the eyes like the creatures or you know

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just just the the action you see in each

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painting like you can tell that this

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dude is struggling to get this out onto

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the canvas and I think that's extremely

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alluring and something you use as a

317
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really cool technique throughout the

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film when he's telling his stories um

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but before we even get to like what he

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claims happened you do go into like a

321
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deep dissection of this man's life which

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i think it was very important I wanted

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to know where he came from

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you know what brought him to Hoboken New

325
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Jersey and what essentially became this

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incredible story and it was pretty

327
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interesting to hear that he he fled a

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very religious upbringing and belief

329
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seems to be a big part of the alien

330
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abduction phenomenon

331
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so I have to ask you do you think that

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his rejection of religion early in his

333
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life do you think that had anything to

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do with how he sort of perceived or

335
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wrapped this whole alien abduction thing

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in his life

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it that that's an it's an interesting

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angle because yes he did he did reject

339
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the religion that was forced upon him I

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think like a lot of people are

341
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especially creative people may but he's

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also a very spiritual person like he

343
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meditates he does the Chinese like

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eaching which is sort of like their

345
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Tarot he does yoga he reads a lot of

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like sort of spiritual practices he's

347
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not new agey but there's definitely I

348
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think was a void and maybe to a certain

349
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extent and all of us of like wanting to

350
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believe in something like other than

351
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just the the flesh and but Jeffrey cry

352
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pool took it one step further in

353
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suggesting that that the alien it was

354
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really this this mythos and in universe

355
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of the aliens that that helped fill that

356
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void or among other things became his

357
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like a new sort of thing for him to

358
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believe in or a new religion for him

359
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yeah Jeffrey creep was definitely

360
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someone I want to talk about been

361
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following his work for years so we'll

362
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definitely get to his thoughts on all

363
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this but in the film bread there is this

364
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I guess quote-unquote woman that David

365
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constantly brings up and that her name

366
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is Crescent but he give us a little

367
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background on who Crescent may be sure

368
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so there was a there was a consistent

369
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cast of characters that that would visit

370
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him the little hairy guy the insect

371
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being this tall skinny guy with a nub on

372
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his head and the greys and but the one

373
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that that was more consistently there

374
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and that had the biggest impression on

375
00:16:28,249 --> 00:16:25,500
him was this a female and he calls her a

376
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female hybrid because everything about

377
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her seemed so human physically except

378
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for the face and the face had an almost

379
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classic gray look except more feminine

380
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and she had human-like hair and at

381
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when he was younger their relationship

382
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seemed she was almost like a caring

383
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Guardian type figure maybe even motherly

384
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but once he reached sexual maturity and

385
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at 17 that relationship changed into

386
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something sexual and romantic and she

387
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she took [\h__\h] of a role on as a almost

388
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like a significant other but she was one

389
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of of many of these hybrid females she

390
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was just the one that he interfaced with

391
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the most and connected with and he gave

392
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her that name cresent I don't think any

393
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of them actually had names as we know

394
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them and the idea that that Crescent was

395
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I guess sort of manipulating David's

396
00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:27,600
mind and his body throughout all this

397
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it's very controversial and we do hear

398
00:17:33,889 --> 00:17:31,529
this a lot in alien abduction lore but

399
00:17:35,539 --> 00:17:33,899
David also stated and this is one of my

400
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,549
favorite lines in the whole film and

401
00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:37,919
kinda gave me chills was they were

402
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,500
always invited and that was really

403
00:17:44,659 --> 00:17:42,720
interesting there seems to be this this

404
00:17:46,730 --> 00:17:44,669
willingness that let them do whatever

405
00:17:48,889 --> 00:17:46,740
they wanted with him even though he

406
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:48,899
seemed to have like you know pretty much

407
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no choice in the matter do you think

408
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,149
that if he didn't want these events to

409
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happen that he could have somehow

410
00:18:01,820 --> 00:17:58,169
stopped it no that's really tough to say

411
00:18:05,269 --> 00:18:01,830
because well one one small detail was

412
00:18:06,889 --> 00:18:05,279
that like we noticed that in the

413
00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:06,899
paintings were they're they're having

414
00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:09,480
sex she's always on top of him so we we

415
00:18:14,269 --> 00:18:11,610
just asked like why why is that and he

416
00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:14,279
said because I was always I felt

417
00:18:20,269 --> 00:18:16,860
paralyzed and it was just easier that

418
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,279
way so she wasn't really didn't seem

419
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,799
like he was really able to move when

420
00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:24,480
this was happening and and he didn't say

421
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,520
it was unpleasant at all but it's an

422
00:18:30,590 --> 00:18:28,080
interesting fact

423
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:30,600
and whenever especially when he was

424
00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:32,490
younger whenever he was like upset about

425
00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:34,950
what was going on or scared or didn't

426
00:18:39,769 --> 00:18:37,289
like it they would be able to to placate

427
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,779
him you know like make pain go away or

428
00:18:45,139 --> 00:18:42,240
make the bad feelings go away so it

429
00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:45,149
sounds like there was some psychological

430
00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:49,529
or telepathic type of of influence and I

431
00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:52,049
but I don't think that that that was

432
00:18:55,389 --> 00:18:53,640
everything because you you still have I

433
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,399
think the majority of

434
00:18:58,930 --> 00:18:57,919
abductees don't consider their her

435
00:19:01,690 --> 00:18:58,940
abduction 'he's like positive

436
00:19:03,399 --> 00:19:01,700
experiences so even though even if they

437
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:03,409
were controlled on some level they still

438
00:19:09,339 --> 00:19:06,320
didn't end up liking it but with david i

439
00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:09,349
think there was coercion but he still

440
00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:11,809
liked it he still you know it was still

441
00:19:16,419 --> 00:19:13,609
a positive in his mind maybe that's why

442
00:19:18,879 --> 00:19:16,429
it kept continuing to because he didn't

443
00:19:22,089 --> 00:19:18,889
have any resistance yeah yeah that's a

444
00:19:23,739 --> 00:19:22,099
good point and yeah i mean despite the

445
00:19:25,719 --> 00:19:23,749
whole idea of it being you know

446
00:19:28,989 --> 00:19:25,729
pleasurable or wanting it to continue

447
00:19:31,659 --> 00:19:28,999
there seemed to be like this overall

448
00:19:33,459 --> 00:19:31,669
mission you know by these creatures of

449
00:19:36,339 --> 00:19:33,469
why they were doing it and I found it

450
00:19:38,139 --> 00:19:36,349
fascinating that David was so sincere in

451
00:19:40,709 --> 00:19:38,149
that idea that he was you know somehow

452
00:19:43,570 --> 00:19:40,719
being used for this almost like

453
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,580
hybridization program we hear this by

454
00:19:47,469 --> 00:19:45,200
many women who claim abduction

455
00:19:49,269 --> 00:19:47,479
experiences but not often by the men you

456
00:19:52,269 --> 00:19:49,279
know they claim you know maybe there's

457
00:19:54,369 --> 00:19:52,279
some sort of semen extraction but right

458
00:19:58,269 --> 00:19:54,379
you know not the act of actually holding

459
00:20:00,909 --> 00:19:58,279
or being in contact with a baby that

460
00:20:02,349 --> 00:20:00,919
might be like half yours you know so

461
00:20:04,629 --> 00:20:02,359
woody what do you make of that whole

462
00:20:06,639 --> 00:20:04,639
claim by David that there was some sort

463
00:20:08,769 --> 00:20:06,649
of hybridization program that seems to

464
00:20:12,489 --> 00:20:08,779
be going on just stepping back a little

465
00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:12,499
the you know in an abduction story just

466
00:20:18,399 --> 00:20:15,289
the idea that someone is abducted is is

467
00:20:21,159 --> 00:20:18,409
a lone sort of like a difficult leap you

468
00:20:25,539 --> 00:20:21,169
know to believe and and to to sort of

469
00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:25,549
suspend belief over and then adding that

470
00:20:31,749 --> 00:20:29,929
you then procreated many times and and

471
00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:31,759
created many babies with them is a whole

472
00:20:37,629 --> 00:20:34,190
other level of belief so that took a lot

473
00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:37,639
of like thinking over for me just to to

474
00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:39,950
be able to like accept that and I think

475
00:20:43,779 --> 00:20:41,989
for David to like it when he first talks

476
00:20:45,849 --> 00:20:43,789
about like learning about that he was he

477
00:20:47,979 --> 00:20:45,859
was you know in shock and and couldn't

478
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:47,989
couldn't believe it again I'll go back

479
00:20:53,739 --> 00:20:51,200
to Jeffrey crippled he says you know the

480
00:20:56,349 --> 00:20:53,749
idea of hybridity is it's not so strange

481
00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:56,359
in the historical record you know just

482
00:20:59,829 --> 00:20:58,369
going back thousands of years with with

483
00:21:02,950 --> 00:20:59,839
the beliefs of the Greeks and Greek

484
00:21:05,619 --> 00:21:02,960
mythology gods and you know beings from

485
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:05,629
the sky intermingling and and and

486
00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:08,700
breeding with humans was like a normal

487
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,220
part of the mythology so it's not it's

488
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:14,640
not without precedence but getting into

489
00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:16,740
more of the why at least what David

490
00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:18,060
thinks he never was able to get an

491
00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:21,660
answer is that you know they lost the

492
00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:24,600
ability somehow or maybe never had the

493
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:28,710
ability to procreate like we do and they

494
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:32,760
need a human in some way man or woman to

495
00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:35,940
to make this happen and so it wasn't

496
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:38,160
like the act of sex at all that was what

497
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:40,260
was really necessary it was more getting

498
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:44,700
his his like sperm and then using that

499
00:21:49,670 --> 00:21:47,610
to hybridize and make these make these

500
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:49,680
children and it was he noticed that as

501
00:21:55,460 --> 00:21:52,170
they grew up over time they looked more

502
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:55,470
and more human still not quite 100%

503
00:22:00,020 --> 00:21:57,410
human like they still had the odd eyes

504
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,030
but he never saw them here he only saw

505
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:02,220
them when he was there with them either

506
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,530
like on a ship or or somewhere else so I

507
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:06,480
don't know if it what the whole point of

508
00:22:11,780 --> 00:22:10,050
the if it's a program if it's for them

509
00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:11,790
to come here or if it's just to keep

510
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:14,190
their their own race going it's

511
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:17,430
difficult to muse on yeah yeah to be

512
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:20,100
determined I guess well the painting

513
00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:21,570
spread I want to get back to that for a

514
00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:23,550
second because you were able to use

515
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,190
these throughout the film to sort of you

516
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,620
know propel his story to to elevate it

517
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,780
in a way I guess which is in essence

518
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,120
what he's trying to do as well to kind

519
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,000
of get it out there without using words

520
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,120
so much did you always plan you know

521
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:41,580
when when you decided yes I want to tell

522
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:43,830
his story did you did you know you were

523
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:45,810
going to sort of use those paintings as

524
00:22:50,030 --> 00:22:47,730
a technique to tell the story throughout

525
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:50,040
yeah definitely and without them I

526
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:52,200
probably wouldn't have made the film I

527
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,080
did it experiment very early on with

528
00:22:59,540 --> 00:22:57,900
with the idea of maybe recreating the

529
00:23:02,510 --> 00:22:59,550
experiences that were in the paintings

530
00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:02,520
like the key ones live-action and like I

531
00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:05,430
did a test of that and I soon realized

532
00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:08,190
like what's the point one it it excused

533
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:11,070
the documentary and into a place I don't

534
00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:13,020
really want it to go in that you know

535
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,630
it's already such a fantastical story

536
00:23:20,790 --> 00:23:17,760
and and by showing it I think it pushes

537
00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:20,800
it over the top and to

538
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:22,600
I already have the paintings and the

539
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:25,330
paintings are are sort of incredible in

540
00:23:31,620 --> 00:23:28,810
their own right so why not just use them

541
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,630
as you know as the gift that they are

542
00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:34,000
and and it also helps just being on a

543
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:36,190
low budget having that as a storytelling

544
00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:37,690
device as opposed to like recreating

545
00:23:40,650 --> 00:23:39,220
everything and I think you know you we

546
00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:40,660
see a lot of recreations and without a

547
00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:42,460
lot of resources they end up looking

548
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:45,400
mostly very cheesy and that's the last

549
00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:48,370
thing I wanted for this film so instead

550
00:23:52,350 --> 00:23:50,590
just was able to like shoot the

551
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:52,360
paintings in an interesting way like

552
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,890
very macro with moves and also we did an

553
00:24:01,170 --> 00:23:58,480
interesting technique where I hired this

554
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:01,180
guy in Eastern Europe to he painted

555
00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:03,190
depth mats he's like one of the only

556
00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:05,800
people I think that does this he paints

557
00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:08,140
these grayscale almost like maps of the

558
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:11,230
paintings that that show their depth and

559
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:14,770
then I can plug that into After Effects

560
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,930
and put really subtle like camera moves

561
00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:18,880
and other effects on them that they're

562
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,680
not over-the-top but they they really

563
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:22,480
add to the immersion and that sort of

564
00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:25,090
unsettling feeling of the of the works

565
00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:26,950
oh absolutely yeah I mean that was one

566
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:28,390
of the first things I noticed I'm like

567
00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:30,250
I'm so happy he didn't just do like a

568
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:33,460
flat aerial view and the paintings it

569
00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:36,640
did it was just enough I think to make

570
00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:38,350
it come to life and I think that was

571
00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:40,180
really a really interesting technique

572
00:24:44,670 --> 00:24:42,070
I'm so happy he decided to do that and

573
00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:44,680
again it helped enhance the story and

574
00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:47,350
one of those paintings Brad was that

575
00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:49,300
really caught my attention was that of

576
00:24:53,550 --> 00:24:51,790
an owl now going back to sort of

577
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,560
abduction Lord I'd love to get your

578
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,360
thoughts on this many experiences

579
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,240
claimed to have seen owls prior to or

580
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:00,880
after a contact experience and we see

581
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:03,490
this throughout movies throughout the

582
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:05,830
UFO abduction literature is this

583
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:08,410
something you've ever explored at all in

584
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:10,510
your research into the abduction

585
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:12,490
phenomenon in making this film the whole

586
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:15,100
idea of the owl being present not

587
00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:17,770
specifically the owl but more like the

588
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,860
eyes of the owl and and that was

589
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,200
something that David David in retrospect

590
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:24,880
was thinking like when he thought he saw

591
00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:27,370
that owl in the tree then started to

592
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:29,140
think that the eyes looked exactly like

593
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:31,930
that of the hairy the little hairy guy

594
00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:34,390
yeah and that maybe it wasn't an owl

595
00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:36,820
maybe it was that being or maybe the

596
00:25:41,550 --> 00:25:39,340
being that he saw you know wasn't a

597
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:41,560
little hairy guy but was was an owl so

598
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:43,510
that yeah I hadn't thought too much on

599
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,970
it just like it's such a pervasive image

600
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:48,400
as well like in David Lynch's work like

601
00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:50,710
with Twin Peaks the owl is always sort

602
00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:52,990
of there when something very strange is

603
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:55,660
gonna happen like it's something that

604
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,610
that ushers in these sort of

605
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:00,880
multi-dimensional experiences yeah it's

606
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:03,610
an interesting you know sort of subtopic

607
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:05,710
that I think is sort of made its way

608
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:08,350
into the abduction phenomenon or lore

609
00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:10,270
whatever you want to make of it it is

610
00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:11,740
interesting the whole idea of screen

611
00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:14,440
memories to like maybe this what I used

612
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,220
to like give us something relatable yeah

613
00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:20,950
yeah I don't know maybe that it's that I

614
00:26:26,790 --> 00:26:23,980
think I think it's it's really like eyes

615
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:26,800
that that seems a common denominator of

616
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:28,390
a lot of these experiences like the

617
00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:31,210
lasting impression is is of eyes and it

618
00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:34,060
may be that the screen memory is you

619
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,500
know the closest thing that we can think

620
00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:37,840
of a sort of glowing creepy eyes in the

621
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,780
dark is an owl yeah I think you're right

622
00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:43,200
on that it's definitely like the most

623
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,060
human connection we can make I think for

624
00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:48,460
sure in terms of humans bread the people

625
00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:50,440
in David's life you know whether it's

626
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:52,600
just like a neighbor a co-worker a

627
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:55,150
friend a lot of them a majority of them

628
00:26:59,970 --> 00:26:57,130
they do believe him just because like

629
00:27:02,370 --> 00:26:59,980
you said he's such a genuine person and

630
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:02,380
actually pretty down-to-earth did you

631
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:05,650
find anyone that didn't believe him that

632
00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:08,740
you were able to get on film no this was

633
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:11,680
the problem like I thought I would like

634
00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:13,930
I thought his boss for example who's

635
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:16,180
this real salt of the earth like Italian

636
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:18,820
immigrant who owns a deli I thought he'd

637
00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:20,200
be like you know I like David but this

638
00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:22,390
alien abduction stuff is wacky but

639
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:24,760
instead it was like no you know I

640
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:27,160
because I know David and the type of guy

641
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:27,520
he is

642
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:30,940
I believe him and I might not have seen

643
00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:33,190
or had an experience with aliens but I

644
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:36,220
have no reason to to disbelieve David or

645
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:38,800
to judge him or be cynical about it and

646
00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:41,530
then same with his neighbor who's known

647
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:43,720
him for thirty years and didn't know

648
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:45,190
about the abduction experiences when I

649
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:46,750
told him about it he was like well yeah

650
00:27:49,930 --> 00:27:47,360
you know

651
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,940
again like it's it's even less likely

652
00:27:53,410 --> 00:27:51,440
that we're completely alone on the

653
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:53,420
universe who knows if they're visiting

654
00:27:57,790 --> 00:27:55,790
or not but again I like I've known David

655
00:28:00,700 --> 00:27:57,800
for thirty years so and he's the nicest

656
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:00,710
guy that I've ever met so I'm not gonna

657
00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:03,410
disbelieve him out of hand and on and on

658
00:28:07,150 --> 00:28:04,760
and same with Jeffrey [\h__\h] who is

659
00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:07,160
this like pretty much world renowned

660
00:28:11,050 --> 00:28:09,260
expert in his field of comparative

661
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:11,060
religious studies and and he believes

662
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:14,900
David and the one person that I'm pretty

663
00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:16,700
sure what would have been the dissenting

664
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:17,900
voice and would have been the most

665
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:19,190
important one to get would have been as

666
00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:21,290
ex-wife who whom and I think you know

667
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:23,150
they got divorced over this this whole

668
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:27,170
subject but she just did not with all of

669
00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:29,930
her heart did not want to appear on film

670
00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:31,400
and I tried I asked her you know

671
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,140
separately ten times in every different

672
00:28:37,660 --> 00:28:35,120
way I could and even though she's a

673
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,670
super nice lady and and you know we we

674
00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:38,720
got along really well

675
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:41,240
outside of filming she just you know I

676
00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:43,790
could not convince her to get on film I

677
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:45,080
think she just did not want it's too

678
00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:47,510
painful for her to talk about and she

679
00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:50,150
didn't want to I feed into this story

680
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:52,670
anymore than then they already had yeah

681
00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:54,830
I get them and I mean I've spoken to

682
00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:57,080
many experiencers who like you know

683
00:29:01,570 --> 00:28:59,630
their their significant other is you

684
00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:01,580
know supportive and is there for them

685
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,350
but when it comes to actually like

686
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:05,360
broadcasting it out to the world that's

687
00:29:10,030 --> 00:29:07,970
a whole other can of worms that a lot of

688
00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:10,040
people don't want to get you know yeah

689
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:11,990
and and also you know further on the

690
00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:13,970
disbelieving scale I feel like there's

691
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,680
not much of a point I mean this is your

692
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:17,360
average person on the street is gonna be

693
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,310
the one that's like dudes crazy you know

694
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:20,720
you can just tell from like YouTube

695
00:29:25,210 --> 00:29:22,790
comments and other things that's the

696
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:25,220
general populace and and those are the

697
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:26,900
you know a lot of the people watching

698
00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:28,670
the film so the the I think it's the

699
00:29:34,290 --> 00:29:30,740
audience that's the skeptic rightfully

700
00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:34,300
so and in a in a situation like this and

701
00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:36,620
sure like it could have gotten like a

702
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:39,590
psychologist or sociologists to talk

703
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:42,920
about how it's linked to trauma and or

704
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:45,050
it's linked to personality disorder or

705
00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:46,970
seizures but none of them actually know

706
00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:49,880
David or you know he's not a patient of

707
00:29:54,490 --> 00:29:52,790
there so that is is I don't think the

708
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,500
most responsible thing either right

709
00:29:58,780 --> 00:29:56,720
right it's it's just a little too

710
00:29:59,880 --> 00:29:58,790
disconnected from the scary thing for

711
00:30:03,010 --> 00:29:59,890
sure

712
00:30:04,270 --> 00:30:03,020
well you were able to get his son on

713
00:30:06,790 --> 00:30:04,280
film which I thought was really

714
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:06,800
interesting his son Michael what what

715
00:30:10,450 --> 00:30:09,050
were his thoughts on all of this about

716
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:10,460
what his father was bringing forward

717
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:13,370
yeah Mike Michael was a big surprise too

718
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,730
so like I sat him down and I started

719
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,080
asking like you know what was your

720
00:30:21,730 --> 00:30:19,520
childhood lacking he's like I was you

721
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:21,740
know a normal childhood nothing out of

722
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,520
the ordinary

723
00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:24,320
I'm like really no nothing out of the

724
00:30:28,270 --> 00:30:26,120
ordinary and your childhood compared to

725
00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:28,280
other of your friends and you had to

726
00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:30,230
really think about it and it's like what

727
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:31,820
about you know the fact that your father

728
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:33,410
was abducted baylin's he was like oh

729
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:35,270
yeah that yeah I guess that's a little

730
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:36,340
out of the ordinary

731
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:39,050
and and that was how it sort of went

732
00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:41,230
like for him it was just like this

733
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:44,060
matter-of-fact part of his life and

734
00:30:48,370 --> 00:30:45,770
upbringing like his dad made these weird

735
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:48,380
paintings and talked about being

736
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:51,110
abducted but he never he never passed

737
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:53,330
judgment and he just believed him

738
00:30:57,930 --> 00:30:56,030
without any sort of you know criticism

739
00:31:00,850 --> 00:30:57,940
and he never I don't think had an

740
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:00,860
experience as support or evidence but he

741
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:02,690
just was like what I don't have a reason

742
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:04,370
not to believe my dad and I think David

743
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:06,740
sort of shielded him from the more

744
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:09,170
explicit paintings until he was older

745
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,700
and like in the film he said Michael

746
00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:12,320
would say like dad who are who are these

747
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:13,670
people your painting is like oh these

748
00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:15,290
are just you know some people that I

749
00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:17,030
know from somewhere far away and I think

750
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:19,400
that was a pretty good way to lightly

751
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:22,610
introduce his son to it yeah absolutely

752
00:31:28,330 --> 00:31:25,310
god I can't even imagine like that just

753
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:28,340
becoming like a normal thing throughout

754
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:30,290
your adolescence is yeah my dad's an

755
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:32,300
alien abductee yeah yes friends are from

756
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:35,810
France or something yeah it's very well

757
00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:37,940
you know we've mentioned him a lot

758
00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:39,560
throughout this interview so far Brad

759
00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:41,660
the man of the hour Jeffrey cry field

760
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:44,540
now this dude is like a superhero to a

761
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:48,170
lot of us I guess you know younger maybe

762
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:51,230
more progressive UFO researchers because

763
00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:52,790
he looks at it from a completely

764
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:55,430
different angle and I think it's one

765
00:32:01,480 --> 00:31:58,730
that is essential necessary and may give

766
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:01,490
us you know a good clue on what we might

767
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:03,500
be dealing with so for those who don't

768
00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:04,970
know who Jeffrey is could you sort of

769
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:07,280
give us a little background on who this

770
00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:09,230
guy is and how you were able to get him

771
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:11,780
on camera which is really rare yeah so

772
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:12,840
he's he's a

773
00:32:17,180 --> 00:32:14,730
professor of comparative religious

774
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:17,190
studies at Rice University in Houston

775
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:20,370
which is like a very sort of exclusive

776
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:24,120
liberal arts college and its faculty is

777
00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:26,370
well-known throughout the world so he's

778
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:29,249
he's a very well respected academic he

779
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:32,279
focuses on paranormal phenomena and

780
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,409
people who have have experienced

781
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:36,600
paranormal phenomena and tries instead

782
00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:38,610
of dismissing them out of hand as crazy

783
00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:40,590
or having a psychological or brain

784
00:32:46,369 --> 00:32:43,460
chemistry disorder tries to put it in a

785
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:46,379
historical context and what he found was

786
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,110
you know doing what academics do by

787
00:32:54,019 --> 00:32:51,299
going back into the literature over

788
00:32:55,639 --> 00:32:54,029
thousands of years found that alien

789
00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:55,649
abduction experiences for the most part

790
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,110
not all of them they share a lot in

791
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:00,720
common with mystical experiences and

792
00:33:04,999 --> 00:33:02,970
religious experiences and you know

793
00:33:08,109 --> 00:33:05,009
psychedelic experiences and that that

794
00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:08,119
maybe these things are the same thing so

795
00:33:14,989 --> 00:33:11,159
2,000 years ago you know someone in

796
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,999
Greece or Mesopotamia having a an

797
00:33:20,539 --> 00:33:17,279
experience that involved the you know

798
00:33:23,859 --> 00:33:20,549
the gods or spirits or someone in the

799
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:23,869
1500s having you know visions of

800
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:27,899
apostles and angels and and Jesus and

801
00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:30,659
then someone in our times having visions

802
00:33:35,749 --> 00:33:33,389
of these odd looking aliens that these

803
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:35,759
are the same things and that they're

804
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,710
real experiences that we we don't

805
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,360
understand and don't know what they are

806
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:41,580
but we just because of how our brains

807
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,730
work we then fill in the holes and fill

808
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,799
in the gaps with what we know or what

809
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:48,480
we've seen or what we've heard so that

810
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,240
they get colored by popular culture so

811
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:52,799
what he's saying is it's sort of like

812
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,110
the metaphor is like light through

813
00:33:58,879 --> 00:33:57,210
stained glass so we see all these

814
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,889
beautiful colors and patterns and

815
00:34:03,619 --> 00:34:01,440
symbols of the stained glass but that

816
00:34:05,899 --> 00:34:03,629
there's actually a light shining through

817
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,909
it and that light is the experience and

818
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,399
what we're seeing is is what's being

819
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:10,500
filtered through all manner of things

820
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,450
with our brain and in the world that

821
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,220
that we live in so that's his that's his

822
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,159
sort of theory in a nutshell so he and

823
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:19,200
he's not saying that aliens don't exist

824
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:20,730
and that aliens aren't necessarily even

825
00:34:24,859 --> 00:34:22,770
coming here but that he believes that

826
00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:24,869
that abduction phenomena isn't this

827
00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:25,790
literal

828
00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:28,280
story of beings that are actually

829
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:31,160
abducting and experimenting on people he

830
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:33,080
thinks that it's it's something sort of

831
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,260
much more universal and non-literal yeah

832
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:38,960
than that yeah it's very interesting and

833
00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:42,200
I mean he even you know in within all of

834
00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:45,980
that he admits that he had almost like a

835
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:47,870
mystical experience himself am I correct

836
00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:49,730
in that yeah exactly and what's

837
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:51,860
interesting again is it took the form it

838
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:53,780
was very much like what you might call

839
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:55,610
an abduction experience but it took the

840
00:35:00,760 --> 00:34:58,490
form of more like Hindu mythology and

841
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:00,770
he's not he's not Indian or Hindu but

842
00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:04,580
hit that was his his focus academic

843
00:35:09,790 --> 00:35:06,680
focus at that time so he wrote a book

844
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:09,800
about sort of the the erotic content of

845
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:12,620
Hindu mythology and it actually got him

846
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:16,730
banned from India harassed by by Indian

847
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:20,420
Secret Service four years later but so

848
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:23,330
his his contact if his paranormal

849
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:25,130
experience was had all this sort of like

850
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:27,290
there she no she I think Kali was in it

851
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:31,460
or Shiva and it had it had this sort of

852
00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:35,110
imagery but if you swapped in Gray's and

853
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:37,670
alien spaceships it would have been you

854
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:40,580
know exactly you're not your typical UFO

855
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:42,410
abduction experience yeah it was

856
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,090
extremely interesting you know

857
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:45,920
especially since he's he's willing to

858
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:47,360
come forward and talk about this having

859
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:49,820
had his own personal experience somehow

860
00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:52,370
with it filling in those gaps I think

861
00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:54,350
that's essential and you know like you

862
00:35:59,620 --> 00:35:57,110
said like sort of what we put our own

863
00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:59,630
lens on what the experience might be so

864
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:00,950
many people think it might have been a

865
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:03,410
religious experience or or this or that

866
00:36:08,380 --> 00:36:06,530
it's very fascinating this we can go

867
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:08,390
down so many different rabbit holes when

868
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,490
it comes to these experiencers yeah and

869
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:13,040
it's it's in some circles it's blasphemy

870
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,850
to say it's anything other than you know

871
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:20,000
very specific sequence of events that

872
00:36:24,070 --> 00:36:22,190
happened you know that it's UFO from

873
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,080
another world coming and doing these

874
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:26,240
very specific things and and you can't

875
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:28,700
see beyond that and then there's all of

876
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:30,440
the events as of late that are being

877
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:32,870
revealed with you know the the military

878
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:36,710
and observing these craft and and that

879
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:38,090
could be like a totally different thing

880
00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:39,820
than alien abductee

881
00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:41,620
experiences they might not be related to

882
00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:44,230
these these crafter ships that they're

883
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:45,580
seeing which is a very you know this is

884
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,610
a very like studied analytical real

885
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:50,800
thing that's being showing up on like

886
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:53,110
cameras and radar which is a little bit

887
00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:54,700
different than how people you know

888
00:37:00,000 --> 00:36:57,340
experienced alien abductions right yeah

889
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,010
that's a really good point too well the

890
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:02,800
my favorite my absolute favorite part of

891
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:04,810
the film bred was when you you had a

892
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,970
showing of David's work in New York City

893
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,280
and this was the moment I'd sort of been

894
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:11,920
waiting for in the film where we really

895
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:15,040
got an outside eye on how his work was

896
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:16,720
perceived and then learning that this

897
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:19,570
dude says he actually experienced these

898
00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:22,750
things so how did the how did this all

899
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:24,820
come about the idea of doing an art

900
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:28,060
showing for David I love this part of

901
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:30,730
the film yeah well it you know after we

902
00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:33,010
had a cut of the film earlier that

903
00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:35,320
didn't have that and it felt it felt

904
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:37,960
just too almost claustrophobic like we

905
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:39,370
needed to get out of his house get out

906
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:41,230
of his block where he lives in Hoboken

907
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:43,750
and actually see him and interacting

908
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:45,910
with the outside world and and you know

909
00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:48,610
people other than his immediate sphere

910
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,440
so we thought you know perfect would be

911
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:52,720
a gallery showing but you know no one

912
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:54,850
knows him and and he hasn't really shown

913
00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:57,310
his work especially a solo show anywhere

914
00:38:01,530 --> 00:37:59,650
so we had to engineered the whole thing

915
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:01,540
so you know we rented a gallery space

916
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,600
and it came along with like a curator

917
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:06,160
who helped us like pick the works and

918
00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:07,990
put them up on the wall and then just

919
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,190
through word of mouth you know like

920
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:11,920
Facebook and and other things we we

921
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:14,290
started to spread the word and it ended

922
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:16,270
up you know being you know much more

923
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:17,380
successful than we thought it was like

924
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:19,420
perfect amount of people we had a great

925
00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:21,850
cross-section you know young and old and

926
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:24,280
it was just so so fascinating just for

927
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:26,680
us to see David juxtaposed with this old

928
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:28,090
guy I'm from the south

929
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:30,370
juxtapose with these like young New York

930
00:38:35,490 --> 00:38:32,980
like hipsters basically our registers

931
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:35,500
and just how they like totally embraced

932
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:37,870
him instead of like judging and

933
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:40,450
snickering and and making fun they were

934
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:42,460
all like wow this is so cool this is so

935
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:44,740
weird and and interesting and they're

936
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:47,590
almost like in awe of listening to him

937
00:38:53,319 --> 00:38:50,830
talk and tell his stories like like it

938
00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:53,329
was almost some like sort of like guru

939
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,630
a type of experience is really really

940
00:39:00,670 --> 00:38:58,880
odd yeah absolutely man it's like the

941
00:39:03,309 --> 00:39:00,680
whole time he was sort of you know

942
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:03,319
telling his story behind each painting I

943
00:39:07,749 --> 00:39:05,630
was like watching the person listening

944
00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:07,759
that's always fascinated me more like

945
00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:10,099
how they're gonna react to it I love

946
00:39:14,349 --> 00:39:12,440
those moments if like you know hearing

947
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,359
something you're clearly not used to

948
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:16,400
hearing and then being like oh my god he

949
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:18,529
actually like believes this happened to

950
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:20,420
him this isn't some dude like just

951
00:39:25,269 --> 00:39:22,609
creating a story to make a painting it's

952
00:39:28,690 --> 00:39:25,279
it's it's it's very interesting yeah

953
00:39:31,569 --> 00:39:28,700
this like jaws dropped yeah the whole

954
00:39:33,699 --> 00:39:31,579
galaxy gallery right you know there was

955
00:39:36,099 --> 00:39:33,709
even another like I guess quote a quote

956
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:36,109
experience are there who said oh yeah

957
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:38,529
I've been abducted but nothing like this

958
00:39:45,579 --> 00:39:42,640
that was a perfect moment of just like

959
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:45,589
normalizing this thing you know for the

960
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:47,450
experiencers it's like an everyday

961
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:48,079
occurrence

962
00:39:51,549 --> 00:39:49,880
yes it's profound and probably

963
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:51,559
life-altering to them but like at the

964
00:39:55,089 --> 00:39:53,209
same time it's like they have their own

965
00:39:56,769 --> 00:39:55,099
community and it's like oh yeah I was

966
00:40:00,339 --> 00:39:56,779
taken last week how about you blah blah

967
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:00,349
blah right it's fascinating in terms of

968
00:40:06,759 --> 00:40:03,529
that like in the years of filming this

969
00:40:09,089 --> 00:40:06,769
in getting to know David and you know

970
00:40:12,249 --> 00:40:09,099
I'm sure doors are opened in your own

971
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:12,259
mind of like what you think of all this

972
00:40:18,189 --> 00:40:16,549
do you believe David's story uh I think

973
00:40:20,859 --> 00:40:18,199
it's to two questions really it's like

974
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:20,869
one is do I believe David and that's a

975
00:40:25,059 --> 00:40:22,940
yes because I don't think he's he's

976
00:40:28,349 --> 00:40:25,069
making anything up at all he's

977
00:40:30,579 --> 00:40:28,359
describing experiences that that he

978
00:40:34,509 --> 00:40:30,589
experienced but then the next question

979
00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:34,519
is do I believe aliens or other beings

980
00:40:41,019 --> 00:40:37,940
from maybe other dimensions are visiting

981
00:40:43,479 --> 00:40:41,029
earth and taking people and having sex

982
00:40:46,859 --> 00:40:43,489
with them and in making hybrid children

983
00:40:49,689 --> 00:40:46,869
with them and so that is I can't say yes

984
00:40:51,819 --> 00:40:49,699
because that's a really big leap right

985
00:40:53,709 --> 00:40:51,829
from from believing David or then

986
00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:53,719
believing this sequence of events that

987
00:40:59,259 --> 00:40:56,299
happening but I also you know just as

988
00:41:01,749 --> 00:40:59,269
just as fervently will say that I don't

989
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,759
disbelieve it because they also know I

990
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:04,020
have no evidence that it's not happening

991
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:07,530
as well and and the evidence we do have

992
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:08,910
that it's happening is that a lot of

993
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:10,470
people talk about having these

994
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:12,360
experiences so that something is is

995
00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:14,040
happening so I'll say that I believe

996
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:15,390
David and I believe that something

997
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:17,550
really odd has been happening for a long

998
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:20,700
time that we don't understand and may

999
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,460
not be as as straightforward as these

1000
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:25,500
are people from another place coming

1001
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,150
down and experience experimenting on us

1002
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:29,940
you know maybe it's maybe it's some

1003
00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:31,830
interdimensional thing that like Jacques

1004
00:41:36,140 --> 00:41:33,750
Vallee and others have talked about

1005
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,150
maybe that's more believable or not I

1006
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:38,760
don't know but I just can't I I can't

1007
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:42,330
like call myself a believer just because

1008
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:44,310
you know I don't I don't have the

1009
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:46,830
answers to should give myself over to

1010
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:49,350
that yeah yeah I completely agree I mean

1011
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,600
I watched it a second time with my

1012
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:53,760
girlfriend and at the end she said do

1013
00:41:59,360 --> 00:41:56,190
you believe him and you know my answer

1014
00:42:00,980 --> 00:41:59,370
in with your film and with any person

1015
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:00,990
I've ever interviewed about this topic

1016
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,570
is you know I wasn't there I think

1017
00:42:08,090 --> 00:42:05,460
that's kind of where I leave it I was

1018
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:08,100
not there I cannot say no matter how

1019
00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:10,170
much evidence or lack of evidence there

1020
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:12,360
is I was not there in the room when that

1021
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:15,930
happened so yeah well how is the overall

1022
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:17,910
response been bred since the phone came

1023
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:20,010
out what do viewers think about it I

1024
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:21,960
know it's screened in many different

1025
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:24,900
cities it's on every streaming service

1026
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:26,190
you can possibly think of which is

1027
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,140
awesome like what what what do you

1028
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:29,520
gather about what people are saying

1029
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:31,710
about the film it's been it's been great

1030
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:33,630
so far overall it's been really great

1031
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,150
and it was it's so neat like being a

1032
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:38,880
filmmaker and being able to attend film

1033
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:40,410
festival screenings like around the

1034
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:43,500
country because each each city has its

1035
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:47,640
own culture and and vibe and so each

1036
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,170
audience would react completely

1037
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:52,200
differently like in Austin Texas that a

1038
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:54,600
genre film festival like people are so

1039
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,310
into it and you know they love the

1040
00:42:59,780 --> 00:42:58,440
paintings in the parts about VHS and

1041
00:43:03,530 --> 00:42:59,790
they're having like a great time and

1042
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,540
then in a place like Utah it's like you

1043
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:06,780
know like they still like it but it's

1044
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:08,850
it's they're really weirded out and

1045
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:11,250
creeped out like oh my gosh especially

1046
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,870
the sexual content and then in a place

1047
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:15,240
like Miami they're more sort of like

1048
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:17,670
laughing at David like oh look

1049
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,049
this is a little bit of like a freak

1050
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:22,260
show so everywhere is was was totally

1051
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,390
different but what was universal is that

1052
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:26,160
people would come up afterwards and say

1053
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:27,690
you know I came into this thinking I

1054
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,790
would watch like a film about like a

1055
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,880
wacky crazy guy and I you know that

1056
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:35,339
would be it but by the end I don't know

1057
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:35,849
anymore

1058
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:38,010
and I actually against all my like

1059
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,540
better judgment I want to believe this

1060
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:42,180
guy because he he's a believable guy and

1061
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:45,299
there's you know there's there's little

1062
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:47,099
evidence to think that he would make any

1063
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:49,049
of this up so that and that's what all I

1064
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:51,329
hope for all I hope was that people

1065
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:53,369
would suspend their judgement and start

1066
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:55,859
to think that you know they're something

1067
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:58,890
that can be gained from not dismissing

1068
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:00,540
these stories out of hand and maybe it's

1069
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:02,210
as simple as like learning more about us

1070
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:06,690
about humans and how we work and and on

1071
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,660
the far end it you know maybe there are

1072
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:11,910
people or beings that are visiting us

1073
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:13,700
from afar so and we even had people that

1074
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:16,049
admitted that they'd seen UFOs or had

1075
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,390
experiences during the Q&A so like in

1076
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:20,220
front of like hundreds of people they're

1077
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:21,540
getting up and saying this that the film

1078
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:23,190
made them feel comfortable that they

1079
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,220
could talk about it and then since it's

1080
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,260
been released it's been getting pretty

1081
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,480
like overall pretty good reviews you

1082
00:44:37,539 --> 00:44:32,460
know I'd say like 80% positive which is

1083
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,549
really good for like the online value

1084
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:39,900
it's been it's been doing well and it's

1085
00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:42,450
gonna go it's gonna be on Hulu soon like

1086
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:44,369
late late in March which is gonna be

1087
00:44:49,329 --> 00:44:47,460
really big to get like lots of eyeballs

1088
00:44:51,740 --> 00:44:49,339
on it similar how how Jeremy's film

1089
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,750
patience seventeen is on Netflix now

1090
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:53,460
like it just being on one of those big

1091
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:55,619
subscription services like basically

1092
00:45:00,460 --> 00:44:57,780
like opens opens up your market by

1093
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:00,470
millions so I think that'll be the real

1094
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:02,430
interesting test cuz right now I'd say

1095
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:05,369
like you know thousands have seen it but

1096
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:07,650
soon it will be much much more than that

1097
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:09,990
yeah I mean in with what's exciting

1098
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:12,750
about that too is like that just you're

1099
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:16,770
giving a voice to like a really sort of

1100
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,890
niche community that that is afraid to

1101
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:22,079
talk about it outside of like their

1102
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,180
friends or their support groups because

1103
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,160
like no one's gonna believe them but now

1104
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:28,680
that it's out there to literally to the

1105
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:31,750
world to both judge or accept

1106
00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:33,970
like that's exciting and that's kind of

1107
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:35,380
the risk you take when you come forward

1108
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:37,750
with these things so I think it's great

1109
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:39,490
that you've given David that platform

1110
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:41,380
and now it's up to the public you know

1111
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:43,960
to come out with our own conclusions but

1112
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:46,840
do you know like offhand has David even

1113
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:48,700
seen the film or like what he thinks of

1114
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:51,270
this whole process of working with you

1115
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:55,030
yeah so it actually took a long time for

1116
00:45:59,010 --> 00:45:57,070
David to see it once it was finished

1117
00:46:01,859 --> 00:45:59,020
because you know he his preferred

1118
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:01,869
viewing format as VHS right and it's

1119
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:03,460
more difficult than you think these days

1120
00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:06,820
to get something done onto VHS so it you

1121
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:09,940
know eventually I gave up and sent him a

1122
00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:12,130
DVD but even before that when the film

1123
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:14,980
was finished he he called me to say you

1124
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:18,400
know Brad I I had like a message from

1125
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:21,430
from the beings that about the

1126
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:25,720
documentary and I was like oh god you

1127
00:46:29,849 --> 00:46:28,090
know what did they say erase they said

1128
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:29,859
that they yeah

1129
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:31,960
they approve of it and that they support

1130
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:33,849
it and and even though it's sort of like

1131
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:35,410
a ridiculous statement like that the

1132
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:37,570
extraterrestrials approve of the film it

1133
00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:38,830
actually made me feel really good

1134
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:41,320
because if they are real the last thing

1135
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:44,170
I want is to be pissing them off so then

1136
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:46,300
shortly after that I I sent him a DVD

1137
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,010
and he was able to watch that and he

1138
00:46:50,970 --> 00:46:49,839
yeah I was I was worried I didn't know

1139
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:50,980
what you know it's his life it's very

1140
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:53,770
personal you know but he called me back

1141
00:46:57,089 --> 00:46:55,089
and said Brad I just want you to know

1142
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:57,099
like I really like the film I think it's

1143
00:47:00,900 --> 00:46:58,330
really well done and that was it just

1144
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:00,910
like how that's how you know simply

1145
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:03,250
spoke and he is that was his review was

1146
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:04,540
that he really liked it and thought it

1147
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,140
was very good

1148
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:08,200
so so I'm glad I'm glad about that it's

1149
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,450
been very different for him I think

1150
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:11,920
thankfully he doesn't have the internet

1151
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:14,170
so he can't go on to like write you know

1152
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:15,880
Twitter or YouTube and read all these

1153
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:18,609
like very childish comments that you see

1154
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:21,310
yeah so he's sheltered from that which

1155
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:23,950
which is really helpful but now he's

1156
00:47:29,609 --> 00:47:25,570
getting you know calls for radio shows

1157
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:29,619
he was on Britain's like biggest morning

1158
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:31,570
show you know viewed by millions every

1159
00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:33,490
morning they had him come into the

1160
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:37,080
studio in New York to be latched in and

1161
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:39,550
yeah that's you know that's a totally

1162
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:41,710
new experience for this you know mid

1163
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:44,560
seventies guy who never had any

1164
00:47:49,590 --> 00:47:47,230
of a Fame before so I think he's

1165
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:49,600
actually enjoying it yeah I mean the

1166
00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:51,850
dude is in his 70s like let him let him

1167
00:47:57,090 --> 00:47:55,420
ride that wave for sure I couldn't agree

1168
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:57,100
more and to know that the film has been

1169
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:00,940
approved the first UFO / alien abduction

1170
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,130
documentary to be approved by the beings

1171
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:05,440
abducting the man that's pretty pretty

1172
00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:07,270
bragging rights right there man for sure

1173
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:09,820
well I know you're working on another

1174
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,280
film that's you know kinda relates to

1175
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:15,040
this kind of doesn't who knows where

1176
00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:15,940
we're trying to make those connections

1177
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,360
right now in in our two different camps

1178
00:48:23,130 --> 00:48:21,040
of thought but you're working on a film

1179
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:23,140
about cryptozoology which is another big

1180
00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:25,090
interest of mine can you tell us a

1181
00:48:29,790 --> 00:48:27,070
little bit about that project before we

1182
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:29,800
wrap things up here yeah I think you

1183
00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:30,910
know it's a very different film like

1184
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:33,400
it's about a big field but what's

1185
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:35,950
similar about it is again it's something

1186
00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:37,660
it's it's done in a very non-judgmental

1187
00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:40,660
way and and taking it seriously so

1188
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:44,500
instead of the typical you know

1189
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:46,990
Discovery Channel or like reality TV

1190
00:48:52,830 --> 00:48:49,900
hunt for monster sensationalized piece

1191
00:48:55,170 --> 00:48:52,840
it's it's actually taking the field as

1192
00:48:57,330 --> 00:48:55,180
as just for under serious consideration

1193
00:48:59,250 --> 00:48:57,340
like cryptozoology is actually something

1194
00:49:02,340 --> 00:48:59,260
that that's important so we're

1195
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:02,350
interviewing all of this most credible

1196
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:04,810
in the field like Loren Coleman Linda

1197
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:07,810
Godfrey Lyle Blackburn Scott martes

1198
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,180
we're staying away from from anyone on

1199
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:12,640
the fringes and still I mean it's still

1200
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,170
gonna be fun and quirky like you can't

1201
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:16,000
get around that with cryptozoology I

1202
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:17,320
mean all these people were interviewing

1203
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:18,970
are all characters in their own right

1204
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:21,790
and and the beasts themselves are kind

1205
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:23,380
of funny and weird but it's it's not

1206
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:26,410
about finding creatures were you know

1207
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:27,550
we're still going out in the field but

1208
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:29,410
we're not going on expeditions hunting

1209
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:30,430
for something because that's when I

1210
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:32,260
think you get into into trouble but

1211
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:34,930
instead it's it's like the legitimacy

1212
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:37,420
and history of it basically and in

1213
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:40,060
considering it like an actual field of

1214
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:42,370
study so that that's cryptozoologist and

1215
00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:45,310
we're we're in the fundraising phase

1216
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,080
right now but have have shot about

1217
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,880
probably like fifteen percent of the

1218
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,040
film so far well that's that's good to

1219
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:52,720
hear man it's invigorating to know that

1220
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:54,100
like there are filmmakers out there who

1221
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:56,620
want to lend credibility to these topics

1222
00:50:00,210 --> 00:49:57,790
and that's what we strive

1223
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:00,220
to constantly is you know give these

1224
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:02,830
things a place in you know the

1225
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,020
mainstream to be like look something

1226
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:06,640
weird is going on know we don't know

1227
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:08,740
what it is but we're trying to figure it

1228
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:10,510
out so I think that's really cool I'm

1229
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:12,250
really looking forward to that film

1230
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:14,740
Loren Coleman is again like a hero to a

1231
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:17,500
lot of us out there so awesome yeah yeah

1232
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:19,300
and if anyone is interested in more like

1233
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:23,250
sort of serious almost scholarly

1234
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:25,360
cryptozoology films there's the Seth

1235
00:50:27,870 --> 00:50:26,500
Breedlove you know it's multi on

1236
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:27,880
monsters have you heard of him

1237
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:29,260
absolutely yeah I had him on the show a

1238
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:32,200
couple yeah months ago oh cool yeah so

1239
00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:33,910
he yeah he you know breaks down

1240
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:35,860
basically like individual cryptid

1241
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:38,650
stories and and that's also refreshing

1242
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:40,330
that he doesn't do it in a in that

1243
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,810
reality TV style way yeah and really

1244
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:45,520
shines a light on these small towns and

1245
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:47,350
like the lore behind what has happened

1246
00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:49,810
there yeah love it I I can't wait to see

1247
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:52,300
a hybrid film between the two of you

1248
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,590
it's Emily exactly well the paintings I

1249
00:51:01,350 --> 00:50:59,200
before we go Brad these things are so

1250
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:01,360
incredible and I know we can't get our

1251
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,670
hands on the originals but they are

1252
00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:06,160
available in some form right I believe I

1253
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:07,780
saw this on your website where can we

1254
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:10,840
get those yeah so the we made prints

1255
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:12,910
available because it's hard to actually

1256
00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:15,160
buy an original you have to be in New

1257
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:17,380
York City or Hoboken and pick it up

1258
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:18,850
directly from David and if you want to

1259
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:20,230
do that get in touch with me and all

1260
00:51:24,690 --> 00:51:22,810
I'll try and and work that out but

1261
00:51:28,290 --> 00:51:24,700
because a lot of people aren't in that

1262
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,300
position we decided to sell limited

1263
00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:31,020
edition like very high quality prints of

1264
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:33,700
six of our most favorite of his

1265
00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:35,050
paintings and if you just go to eleven

1266
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:38,350
saucers calm you'll see a shop link up

1267
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:41,290
there or store link and and you can pick

1268
00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:44,190
from those paintings that's awesome and

1269
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:47,140
again the DVD of the documentary is

1270
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:49,140
available at your website as well and

1271
00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:52,420
it's available on countless streaming

1272
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:54,520
devices and you said Hulu coming up

1273
00:51:59,820 --> 00:51:56,650
that's awesome and I can't wait for that

1274
00:52:01,920 --> 00:51:59,830
um well but this film it's I I could

1275
00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:01,930
imagine it would be polarizing for those

1276
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,630
who simply have no room in their lives

1277
00:52:08,550 --> 00:52:06,640
to believe something like this and I

1278
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:08,560
can't really fault people for that but

1279
00:52:13,110 --> 00:52:10,570
the way you weave in and out of Dave

1280
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:13,120
life and like his genuine nature it

1281
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:15,490
makes it something truly to ponder and

1282
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:18,040
like no matter what did or didn't happen

1283
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:20,370
I think you treated David with

1284
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:23,290
compassion with you know objectivity and

1285
00:52:28,620 --> 00:52:26,230
with this lens that allowed us to peek

1286
00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:28,630
in on this guy's life and it was very

1287
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:31,000
grounded you know with the story that

1288
00:52:35,850 --> 00:52:33,010
could be true be out there and I'm just

1289
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:35,860
so happy you did this man so again I

1290
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:38,290
have of course of course I got a thank

1291
00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:40,210
you for coming on the show to talk about

1292
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:42,940
all this we only scratch the surface so

1293
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:44,830
I can't wait for listeners to see the

1294
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:47,110
film so again thank you for coming on

1295
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:48,820
today you're welcome it was it was a

1296
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:50,410
blast thank you so much all right that

1297
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:52,360
is it for this week's episode again you

1298
00:52:58,410 --> 00:52:55,750
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